1 john 1: 5-10


“walk in the Light”

the passage i read this morning discussed the concept of walking in the light of Christ and that when there is light, darkness is dispelled. a follower is unable to walk in both light and darkness. the passage also discusses admission of sin. if someone claims to be free of sin they lie but if they confess their sins Christ will be true to himself and forgive the sins.

i understand the simple application to this passage. as a follower i am no longer under the darkness and am now walking in light. however, what if i stumble? what if i fall into sin? i do sin. i do fail God. the passage seems clear when it states that if you stumble in the dark then you are lying through your teeth and are not living the life that you claim. that sends thoughts all throughout my head. have we lessened the standards of being a christian? have we turned it into more of a religion than a relationship? i understand that we all sin and as the passage states in verse 8, that if one claims to be free of sin he is only fooling himself. but how can we truly walk in light and not stumble in the darkness even though we commit sin? i have thoughts on this but would like to hear the readers belief on this subject as well. i would like to open this subject for discussion. please reply with your own thoughts.

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7 thoughts on “1 john 1: 5-10

  1. Ok… my thoughts on this:
    As the passage says, one cannot walk in both light and darkness. I do believe that once you are saved, it’s a done deal. We do sin and fall short daily, but we are also convicted by the holy spirit of these sins. However, think of it this way.

    Say your spouse wrongs you in some way shape or form. Lying is the example I’d like to use in this illustration. Your spouse lies to you and this inconveniences or hurts you in some way. He or she apologizes, things are made right, you still go on being married. Your spouse continues to lie to you in the future. As this happens, your intimate relationship with him or her begins to diminish.

    (I’ve realized this isn’t a perfect world and if it were, your spouse wouldn’t be lying to you in the first place, but bear with me on this one.) Now annexing the possibility of divorce out of the question; regardless of how many times your significant other lies to you, you are still married to that person. The intimacy of the relationship may be virtually gone, but you still maintain a maritial status. This is the same way with Christians and their walk with Christ. Yes, you can get saved and live like a hellian, but the only thing about Christianity that you will hold on to is merely the title of being a Christian and an ultimately unsatisfying lifestyle full of guilt and conviction. However, if you take into consideration that you are damaging your intimate relationship with God by sinning as a christian, you’ll think twice… maybe even thrice before making a decision between right and wrong.

    tl;dr:
    You can choose to live with just a title or you can put something meaningful and precious behind that title.

  2. i completely agree with once saved always saved. and the example is a rather good one because Christ calls us His bride. the only thing that gives me food for thought is the concept that Christ can not commune with sin. with darkness. and the presence of light means the absence of darkness. no one is perfect i understand. my belief is that since Christ intercedes on our behalf God does not see our sin but sees the blood that covers our sins therefore allowing community and connection with God even though we might stumble at times. i appreciate the feedback

  3. Re-reading this passage, I’m reminded of all the times I’ve wrestled through it and come away dazed and insecure.

    Looking at it today, I think I see something new. It seems to me, that the writer does not equate “walking in the light” with “not sinning.” If he did, he would be, at best, logically challenged.

    Rather, phrases like, “we declare to you what we have seen and heard so that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ” and, “This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light and in him there is no darkness at all.If we say that we have fellowship with him while we are walking in darkness, we lie and do not do what is true” seem to indicate a bigger concern with our relationship to God and the community of believers than with weather or not we sin. I think for the author maybe “walking in the light” is more equal to being in fellowship with the community of light. Perhaps there was some concern about believers refusing to acknowledge their membership in the community when it was inconvenient (I’m thinking about higher ranking officials who, while believers, denied it when it would hurt their social standing.) That is speculation, and I would need to know much more about this epistle’s context to really work through it, but it’s something I could imagine to be true

    Perhaps, though, the author did have in mind a more legalistic approach. What can we do with that?

    There is an important principal that some have argued is proper for Biblical interpretation that says that we should use more straight forward passages to think about more cryptic ones. I think that principal is quite useful here. I do not believe that the Bible is a book with “no contradictions”. It seems to me that that whole concept is a result of the Enlightenment and not something the Biblical authors, Jesus, the church fathers, most historical theologians, etc. were very concerned with. What all of these do seem to be concerned with is the story that says God seeks out a people to live in relationship with one another and him to the extent that God became flesh and dwelt among us. It seems that when there is a conflict of ideas, that that story is what we defer to. Does that make sense?

    Anyway, I’m rambling, but hopefully I said something of some kind of value 🙂

  4. Ok, I know there are a number of spelling errors and such in my post. Sorry! I meant to run it through a spell check and just forgot.

  5. that is a very good point about how this passage might be referring to the leaders of the day who would not acknowledge their belief. unfortunately, i feel like this is a common error in many peoples life, reading the passage and thinking that our first initial thought is what the author was saying. i do think that the Holy Spirit allows people to read the same things and get completely different things out of it. thats one of the beautiful things about the bible. i appreciate the comments quinneth. and my posts are filled with many errors and such so do not worry

  6. Wow..i’m actually posting a comment on a blog..like i have something intellectual to say. No but anyway, I do personally find this discussion very interesting. This is because I work with a guy who believes you can lose your salvation. He believes, I think, that a person may lose his salvation if he falls into habitual sin. For example, this doesn’t apply to someone who has a moment of weakness and allows his temper to get the better of him. This is someone who loses the close fellowship with Christ due to repeatedly sinning against Him, without repentance. The guy I work with seems unsure of when one’s amount of sin will lead to that point. He also claims that this point of view is in no way legalistic. He believes that yes, if we disregard Christ’s commands we may eventually get to the point where we lose the salvation He offers. This knowledge should cause us to strive even harder to obey His commands. Yet, it is out of love for Christ that we will strive to obey Him..so that we don’t lose His gift of salvation given to us out of love through grace. It doesn’t make much sense to me and I’m unable to wrap my mind around this concept.

    So as my friend and I have had this discussion numerous times at work I decided to look up some passages in the Bible to get some answers. The verses Ryan are referring to are among these I read. I found, it seemed, that taking many of these verses in the most literal sense would almost work to my friend’s view point. Verses about sinning and therefore not being in Christ…being a new creature, a higher calling, denying ourselves daily, not living any longer in sin, cutting off limbs to avoid sins, easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle, etc.. It’s easy to see how we can often times fall into legalism. But it’s God’s grace that allows us to have any hope at all. It isn’t anything that we can do. Once we realize who Christ is and what He did for us, yes our love for Him should give us the desire to serve Him, but it’s this realization also that makes grace so apparent to us. And there are plenty of verses on Christ’s grace. “It is by grace we are saved through faith…not by works..(Eph. 2:8)” to give one example. Personally, the belief that you can lose your salvation is not one I can agree with.

    On another note, for the person who says they are a Christian and yet continues to live like a “hellian” with no communion with Christ.. Dare I say I may question whether that person has truly ever placed his faith in Christ and opened up his heart to receive His grace. I do believe that once we have a relationship with God we will have the desire to love Him and love those around us. Our hearts will desire to be in communion with Him, which will be evident by how we show love and service to those we come in contact with.

    To wrap it up, I have tried to explain my point of view to my friend, but I guess we will continue agreeing to disagree. We enjoy having these discussions, but I believe the important thing is to live your life in communion with Christ and allow Him to use you to show his grace and love to those around you.

  7. charity thank you for your comments. i could not agree more. its almost as if we have some kind of connection. id like to ask you out for coffee maybe dinner? marry me? good points though i hope you continue to contribute when you feel like you have something to say

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